I’m gonna add something to this that I haven’t seen anyone talk about: The circles around the Diamonds are all the planets and moons they’ve colonized under their name. The score at the time the Moon Base was created seems to be: Yellow Diamond: 8 planets (2 in her hands) and 15 moons. White Diamond: 10 planets (11 assuming the one in her hands is a planet) and 4 moons. Blue Diamond: 4 planets and 3 moons. Pink Diamond: 1 planet and 1 moon, almost definitely Earth and Earth’s moon. So assuming the amount of planets one Diamond commands is indicative of her power/authority, White Diamond is at the top of the pecking order, followed by Yellow Diamond, then Blue Diamond, and lastly Pink Diamond.
That makes sense given the symbol:
My guess is, because of the emphasis on it, the planet in White Diamond’s hands is Homeworld itself. While all the diamonds rule it, it wouldn’t surprise me if White Diamond wanted a reminder that she was the one truly at the top.
I feel like Papyrus KNOWS about the time travel and reset, he just might never mention it because he doesn’t wanna freak out the human. Not to mention he is one positive skeleton, sans might have given up but Papyrus hasn’t.
I might need to reassess a few things regarding these characters…
The fact that she’s presented as a good guy and helps you through the ruins gets you an attachment to her, so of course people love her and want to defend her. It’s interesting, how the way a character is written and shown to you affects your perception of them. Heck, I LOVED Toriel to pieces before thinking about her a little more in depth.
There was another post I saw that pointed out that both Asgore and Toriel made a lot of mistakes and obviously aren’t dealing with the deaths of their children in a remotely constructive manner, what with the “identical houses” charade, and that probably the best thing for them to do once getting to the surface would be seeking out modern psychiatry.
Even given the points presented in the posts you linked, I still can’t say she’s a bad person. She was just presented with something horrific and couldn’t respond to it properly, and then when her husband did something she found repulsive, it was the final straw and she saw no other option but to cut herself off entirely. This, of course, could do no favors for her mental state by the time you get to her.
Yes, she did many bad things, that’s undeniable. But there’s a difference between doing bad things and being a bad person. What she really needs is professional help, support, and understanding, as does Asgore, and Alphys, and a lot of the cast, really.
That’s just what I think, anyway.
You’d be hard pressed to find a character in Undertale that doesn’t suffer from a severe lapse in judgement. That’s part of the point of the game
However, their recognizing and moving past these obstacles is of course, entirely up to the player. Depending on what you choose to do and the actions you take, there is always a chance of redemption and making things right. As long as you really want it
But of course, there are some things that always have consequences
That’s how I see it anyway. Toriel and Asgore both did bad things, in a number of ways, but it doesn’t make them bad people
Some expressed concern at the last comic that Sans might get hurt roughhousing with his brother since he only has 1 hp. Sans would be perfectly safe! Papyrus is the only monster in the game who will stop mid-attack the second he notices you’re at 1 hp. Not even Toriel can do that! Which tells us that a) Papyrus is extremely good at telling when people have reached their limit/are about to collapse, even if they’re relative strangers and b) he has absolute complete control over his magic (he can even reduce the amount of damage he’s doing if your hp is too low) and can stop instantly if he feels like it’s getting too dangerous.
So he’d actually be the safest and most ideal person Sans could ever tussle with. In fact he might be the ONLY person because anyone else would be too risky. Learning how to playfight with someone as fragile as Sans could even be why Papyrus is so incredibly careful in battle in the first place. (It could also explain why their attacks are so similar at points.)
I theorized over the last couple days about the Gems having known Lapis was trapped in that mirror, but having watched both Mirror Gem and Ocean Gem and had some time to think, it just keeps getting darker, because I’ve come to the tentative conclusion that while Amethyst and Garnet knew, Pearl didn’t.
Think about how the three reacted to the news that Steven had woken up the gem in the mirror.
Garnet reacted with shock initially:
Then wariness:
Then she tries to take control of the situation and lies to Steven:
And, finally, rage, overpowering her love for Steven:
Then, take Amethyst. Initially, shock:
Then, most tellingly of the gems’ reactions, guilt:
Then the same wariness as Garnet:
Then rage herself, to a degree that freaks Steven out:
Now, Amethyst’s lack of a poker face combined with the extreme reactions she and Garnet have made me think that the pair knew who Lapis was (or at least that there was a dangerous gem sealed in the mirror) but it didn’t seem to add up. Why react that strongly to a prisoner? It may have been a justified imprisonment, to be fair, but they wouldn’t react this strongly unless they were the ones doing the imprisoning.
Now, that’s all fair enough. We’ve seen how dangerous Lapis was, and if Amethyst and Garnet had to imprison her, they had to imprison her. What is disturbing is that Pearl genuinely doesn’t seem to be aware that there’s an intelligent gem involved at all.
Initial reaction: shock.
Then, unlike Garnet and Amethyst, who immediately recover and act like they know what’s going on, confusion:
Then, dawning realization turning to horror:
And then the real kicker happens–this line right here:
“Garnet!” Amethyst hisses, “Do something!”
Who are they looking at in that shot? Are they looking at the mirror, the dangerous Gem they’re so afraid of? Are they looking at Steven, their innocent son, who’s the one in danger/ready to free Lapis right now?
No.
They’re looking at Pearl…
…because she’s putting the pieces together.
Look at the symbolism of the entire scene. Garnet and Amethyst are watching Pearl play out one of her neuroses, alternating between teasing her and trolling her. They are separate from Pearl in almost every shot in this room; together, they are watching Pearl act exactly as they expect, and doing nothing to correct the situation.
Here’s what I think happened: I think Garnet and Amethyst, with or without Rose, were involved in the imprisonment of Lapis. I’m not casting judgment on that; I don’t have enough information to conclude whether it was justified or not. Then–and this is what I am judging–then they gave the mirror to Pearl for safekeeping, knowing that she wouldn’t think enough of the mirror to try to talk to it, thinking it was just a device, something to use and store away as she saw fit. They gave it to Pearl because they knew she’d never think to free Lapis. They made Pearl her jailor without her knowledge or consent.
And that’s gonna make me leery of these two for a long time to come.
“I think my mom used Lion to carry her things around, like a living bag.”
“[Pearls are] for standing around, and looking nice, and holding your stuff for you.”
Possibility: Rose created Lion to fill the gap left when she told Pearl to be her own gem, to stop serving her, to live her own life. He was kept a secret because if Pearl knew Rose still needed help, she’d insist on providing that help herself.
So she evacuated from Pearl all of the things of hers she’d been carrying, claiming she could take care of it herself, but having that much in her gem stressed her out, tired her, so she made Lion to do it, and kept telling Pearl she was fine. Because she was. She had Lion.
5 photos this time! (I’m trying to limit how much I take because I still don’t know where I stand legally and I don’t wanna spoil the whole book, so I’m pacing myself haha)
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